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The methodology will be simple – I’ll post a poll with a number of players to choose from, and the player with the most votes gets the nod for that position. Polls will stay live for 24 to 48 hours – if there is a run-away winner, we’ll come in on the short side, and if it’s close between two or more players, we’ll leave it open a bit longer. As for settings, assume whichever you personally prefer – the rankings should skew towards whatever settings the consensus uses, as well.
Note: closed polls immediately show up on the “Polls Archive” page, so you’ll be able to track voting there as we move along. I’ll make a new post every so often, as to avoid getting multiple pages deep in terms of comments. If you have an active conversation going in the previous post(s), by all means keep it going – just start new conversations here.
Rankings List
47. Tony Parker (27, SAS – PG)
46. Nene Hilario (26, DEN – C)
45. Carlos Boozer (27, UTH – PF,C)
44. Al Horford (22, ATL – PF,C)
43. Chauncey Billups (32, DEN – PG)
42. Tyrus Thomas (22, CHI – PF)
41. Paul Millsap (24, UTH – PF)
40. Rashard Lewis (29, ORL – SF,PF)
39. Gilbert Arenas (27, WAS – PG)
38. David West (28, NOR – PF)
37. O.J. Mayo (21, MEM – SG)
36. Caron Butler (29, WAS – SG,SF)
35. Andrea Bargnani (23, TOR, PF,C)
34. Andris Biedrins (23, GSW – C)
33. Monta Ellis (23, GSW – PG,SG)
32. Russell Westbrook (20, OKC – PG)
31. Troy Murphy (29, IND – PF)
30. Rudy Gay (22, MEM – SF,PF)
29. Kevin Martin (26, SAC – SG)
28. David Lee (26, NYK – PF,C)
27. Gerald Wallace (26, CHA – SF,PF)
26. Jose Calderon (27, TOR – PG)
25. Rajon Rondo (23, BOS – PG)
24. LaMarcus Aldridge (23, POR – PF)
23. Carmelo Anthony (24, DEN – SF)
22. Joe Johnson (27, ATL – SG)
21. Brook Lopez (21, NJN – C)
20. Andre Iguodala (25, PHI – SG,SF)
19. Yao Ming (28, HOU – C)
18. Josh Smith (23, ATL – SF,PF)
17. Derrick Rose (20, CHI – PG)
16. Andrew Bynum (21, LAL – C)
15. Pau Gasol (28, LAL – PF,C)
14. Devin Harris (26, NJN – PG)
13. Dirk Nowitzki (30, DAL – PF)
12. Chris Bosh (25, TOR – PF,C)
11. Amar’e Stoudemire (26, PHO – PF,C)
10. Al Jefferson (24, MIN – PF,C)
9. Brandon Roy (24, POR – PG,SG)
8. Deron Williams (24, UTH – PG)
7. Kobe Bryant (30, LAL – SG)
6. Dwight Howard (23, ORL – C)
5. Danny Granger (25, IND – SG,SF)
4. Kevin Durant (20, OKC – SG,SF)
3. Dwyane Wade (27, MIA – PG,SG)
2. Chris Paul (24, NOR – PG)
1. LeBron James (age 24, CLE – SF)
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sheesh it’s a coin-flip....
Matt,
A little off topic, but do you have the ear of the Yahoo fantasy guys? If so, could you request that they build in some flexibility as to when the H2H finals are run. The last week of the season is a crazy time to play the Final. I’d be interested to know how many Wade owners lost winnable finals this year…
i hear you, believe me. i can’t imagine it’s not already something on the wish list, but the question is where it is in the hierarchy
Have you ever played in a roto league? If not, you need to at least join a roto in addition to your H2H league. I used to play in H2H only but was invited to join a roto league a number of years ago and now won’t even consider going back to H2H.
The Playoffs and especially Finals are a joke in H2H. There’s always star players sitting out, so the Finals usually comes down to pure luck and constant streaming of scrubs in and out of your line-up to produce the most stats. Where is the skill in that? I’m not a fan of any league where the Champion is determined by the play of CJ Watson and Daequan Cook.
Yep, I’ve played roto, and I intend to play both roto and H2H next year. Roto is better in the sense that the best team throughout the year wins. However, its fun to go up against your mates 1 on 1. Its also easier to turn your season around in H2H if you have a poor start, which adds another dimension.
I’ve got no problem with the Watsons and Cooks of the world being a determining factor. In fact in competitive leagues its guys like that who I’d expect to make the difference. I dont think anybody disputes that the finals week is a bit of a farce as it stands, and it seems like a simple enough thing to allow game week customisation so you can choose when your playoffs are. You could definetly do this in the NBA.com fantasy game that I used to play. Streaming is rubbish, but there are ways around that too.
The only way H2H works AND makes everybody happy is if you’re playing with people you can trust – in other words, a commish who won’t play favorites and lock you (or anybody else) out of your team. You set the rules, limit the number of moves per week, and lean hard on your Can’t Cut List, and as long as everybody plays fair, you can have a good experience (even with the “streamers” involved).
Otherwise, play the public leagues (like I do), and play within the rules. More often than not, the “bad” experiences come due to people NOT playing – nobody wants to trade players, no one makes any moves – that’s usually when the few guys playing take over and run the table.
And if your best players are benched because the head coach wants to “save” them for the playoffs, you gotta do what you gotta do – go out there and find guys who are playing quality minutes AND getting good stats. Most times you can pick these guys up and ride them out for the last few weeks (or even months in some cases!).
Dasein described it precisely – it’s called “managing your team”. I agree whole-heartedly that in a competitive league, even if there is a “streamer” or two, it’s guys like Watson and Cook who make a difference whether you win or lose – hell, you might as well throw in Brook Lopez and Westbrook, maybe even Brandon Rush. Not one of us can say we honestly thought any one of these guys were going to be solid contributors from the get-go – they were just as much dark horses as the Watson/Conley/Telfairs of the league.
The fact is, regardless of your “strategy”, you still have to make good decisions – if you do, you put yourself in a better position to win. If you make bad ones, you usually lose. It’s as simple as that.
How about Nate? 17.2/3.9/4.1/1.3/1.7 and getting better.
he’s in the handful that will be the next few choices, but the real kicker is what happens if he’s playing somewhere other than in the d’antoni system?
I think it’s time to mention Hawes again…
ehhhhh….
What do you think about the following 3 Starting Pitchers, and if you had to pick 2 who would you take?
Galvin Floyd – Does he ever turn it around, will he even come close to his 2008 numbers
Jarrod Washburn – A career liability, but up until his last outing, seemed to be putting together a nice start to the season, but I feel like he could just implode at any moment.
Justin Ducsherseher or however its spelled – I drafted him without realizing he’d start the season on the DL and now he doesnt look like he’ll return until beginning of June.
I currently own Floyd and Washburn but I’m considering picking up Duchsherererer for one of the two.
i’d probably rank them ducscherer, floyd, washburn, but i wouldn’t count on much from any of them. floyd isn’t as good as his 5×5 stats from last season, so i wouldn’t be overly optimistic. washburn hasn’t become a really effective starter at age 34, so he’s going to regress significantly before too long. at least duchscherer has a history of good numbers, but we’re about a month away from getting a read on how effective he might be this season. if it’s roto, i’d be thinking about a solid MR
How is it that Gilbert Arenas gets on the list at 39 and Elton Brand is not even on the list to vote for 40?
my typical response applies here, as in “he’s coming up soon”. i actually went back and forth between KG and brand but went with KG since he was still putting up top 15 per-game numbers this season
So the major factor with Agent 0 over Brand would be age then, since the injuries are basically the same, I think Arenas has been out more than Brand. I don’t put much stock in Brand’s numbers this year, if he is healthy he will get back to 20/10/2, hopefully he will retain F/C status.
Brand was terrible even when he was healthy. Not only that, the 76ers were better without him. Elton Brand plain sucks. He is a HUGE DOUCHE! I wouldn’t even draft him 13th round. (yes, I am a little biased since he ruined my Clippers season ticket experience)
HUGE x-factor moving forward. he really didn’t mesh with that starting five, and they played so well down the stretch without him. a new coach means everyone starts fresh though, and we’ll have to see what decisions they make this offseason. miller is likely to be back, but maybe they try to move dalembert (okc?) and run with brand at C and bring in a cheaper big man to back up (speights being first FC off the bench). part of brand’s problem was cheeks’ inability to offer much help, but it’s not a good idea to assume it’s a quick-fix situation
Great reply Chriskim4……I don’t agree but I was laughing when I read it…..
BTW, I think there is a lot of weight put in keepers, what do folks assume as far as amount of players. I would take R Lewis, Chauncey Billups over Lopez, Westbrook and Bargiani any day.
my general assumption is 4-5 players, but i’m sure it varies widely. as mentioned previously, this kinda has taken on a dynasty ranking feel to it, but it may have been inevitable since we weren’t picking from rosters of players. it’s hard to simulate it in an exercise like this, since your top keeper affects your second keeper, and so on
that makes sense, if it were dynasty a young player would have more value than a win now player like many in their 30′s still left on the board.
Play to win now. Too much emphasis on youth in keeper leagues. They often fizzle out after year 3 anyway, so you might as well ignore age pretty much.
a heads up that i’ll be offline most of the weekend, as my girl and i are celebrating seven years of her putting up with me. early next week, i’m going to roll out the next big undertaking, for which i will lean heavily on all of you in terms of opinion and discussion. i’ll just say “Fantasy Basketball 101″ and leave it at that
Congrats Matt! Have a great time this weekend!
much obliged
Matt,
Off the subject of basketball, big papi was just dropped in my baseball league, what do you think the possibilities are of him turning his season around??
turning it around completely is very unlikely. the complete lack of power is shocking and the fact that he’s UTIL only makes him near dead weight. my over/under at this point is .250/15 the rest of the way, but there’s room on both sides. how deep is the league and do you need HR? who would you drop for him?
I would say if you can afford the roster spot pick him up, I never left former studs sit on the WW.
Can someone plz explain how the hell Tyrus Thomas has more votes than:
Boozer, Billups, Horford, KG, Nene, Duncan, and the whole rest of that list.
He is NOT that good.
Yeah, I have a hard time banking on someone who spent a decent portion of last fantasy season on waivers. Thats why guys like Thomas, Conley, Millsap and Horford kinda scare me to keep. Personally I’d go KG or Billups here and worry about replacing them a couple years down the line.
I am not sure if you read the threads here but I was kind of asking the same question, it seems like a lot of value is put in long term keeper potential than short tem win now. There are guys already in the top 40 that I wouldn’t take in the top 60.
I’m taking Thomas here. At this point in the draft, after all the studs are gone, I’m looking for hard to get categories like steals and blocks. From what I’ve seen of Thomas, he has great across the board potential, particularly in steals and blocks. Rebounds are easier to get later.
I like Jamison here, but for me Thomas is close. He is a dynamic guy who can dominate a category as is but also has that magical upside that the kids like so much.
Boozer: has missed has player 51, 33, 74, 81, and 37 games in the last five seasons. He will not be playing the 4 in Jerry Sloan’s system with D-Will at the point next year.
Billups: I see your point here.
Horford: Injury and inconsistency concerns, but I do like Horford soon.
KG: Injury and age issues.
Nene: I also have injury concerns here, but he did play last year. (Then again Boozer played 81 games in 07-08.)
Duncan: See KG.
I think it’s that people would rather be early than late on these guys. Thomas is a stud in waiting and people would rather bet on his progression than KG’s health.
Millsap over Tyrus, Billups, Jamison, Duncan, KG, Hilario…? This is a joke, right?
Millsap is not that special, even if Boozer leaves. But it doesn’t matter, I just don’t know how Millsap can be voted ahead of those guys because of 2 great months…
I agree, Millsap went 16/10/1 as a starter. But I don’t think Thomas has done much to eclipes him. Duncan and KG are breaking down, Boozer and Brand is broken. Personally, if Marion resigns with Tor, he could return to PHO days with Calderon playing Nash.
So I would go:
1. Marion
2. Billups
3. Pierce
4. Brand (it’s a man love thing)
All of whom are not high on the list. >:-P
i could hear an argument for a number of the players in the poll, but it’s thomas’ combo stl/blk that has me so enthralled. 1.2/2.1 in 31 min after the break this past season, along with 13/7 on a ‘relatively’ consistent basis. if he does come a bit closer to his ceiling in 09/10, we’re talking about top-20 impact at age 23
with that said, we’re at a point where a team’s top keepers, league settings, and other factors would mean that specific rankings in actuality would vary widely
Agreed.
Tyrus was definitely more valuable than Millsap last season, and has much more upside.
I think if any sane person was given the choice of KG, Duncan, or Millsap.. Millsap would not be the player they choose. I recall Millsap breaking down as well, he couldn’t handle starter’s minutes. KG and Duncan will be fine at the start of next season.
I think you’re all forgetting that Thomas was held back by his coach in the first half of the season, not because of his play. He only averaged 27 minutes this year, but look at his per-36 minute projection compared to some of the others in question, I think given his age and upside he’s arguably the best choice:
Tyrus: 14.2 PTS, 8.4 REB, 1.3 AST, 1.5 STL, 2.5 BLK
Millsap: 16.2 PTS, 10.3 REB, 2.2 AST, 1.2 STL, 1.1 BLK
Marion: 13 PTS, 8.6 REB, 2.0 AST, 1.3 STL, 1.0 BLK
Nene: 16.1 PTS, 8.6 REB, 1.5 AST, 1.4 STL, 1.4 BLK
Billups: 18.1 PTS, 3.1 REB, 6.5 AST, 1.2 STL, 0.2 BLK
Boozer: 18.0 PTS, 11.6 REB, 2.4 AST, 1.2 STL, 0.2 BLK
Jamison: 20.9 PTS, 6.1 REB, 1.8 AST, 1.1 STL, 0.3 BLK
Duncan: 20.7 PTS, 11.4 REB, 3.8 AST, 0.5 STL, 1.8 BLK
Horford: 12.4 PTS, 10.0 REB, 2.6 AST, 0.9 STL, 1.5 BLK
Pierce: 19.7 PTS, 5.4 REB, 3.5 AST, 0.9 STL, 0.3 BLK
KG: 18.3 PTS, 8.3 RED, 2.9 AST, 1.3 STL, 1.4 BLK
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thomaty01.html
Are these stats his per 27 minute average, or his projected average.
Either way, I’m not seeing the argument. I’d take Duncan (and not just because I’m a Spurs homer!), Nene, Millsap, maybe even Boozer before I’d consider Tyrus, even with his youth in mind.
Those are ’08-’09 per-36 minute stats. The point is that Tyrus was held back this year, but his per minute #s are right in line, and he should only get better. Duncan has regressed in blocks, steals, and minutes over the last 3 years, and boards from last year. Boozer is a walking question mark, and KG’s getting old. It’s probably a toss up between Tyrus, Nene, and Millsap, but with Nene’s past, and Millsap’s uncertainty, I’m giving TT the edge, with steals and blocks in mind.
Ok, I can give you that point if you’re arguing TT’s potential, especially given that he was held back early on (that’s undeniable). But it’s hard to asses a player’s potential on what could’ve been.
And although I agree with your assessment of Duncan (he has dropped a notch or two the past few years), I take exception to your reasoning why he’s regressed. It hasn’t been because of ability that he’s dropped off in numbers – it’s been more due to injury and the overall team dynamic.
He’s dropped almost 1 blk per over the last 3 years, true. But that could easily change – IF he comes in 100% healthy next year AND the team makes a move during the off-season to help him out (with another big). He’s never been much on steals (from .8 to .5? Please!). And the minutes are going to come down simply because of the law of averages – he’s an older player who’s more susceptible to injury now – so, naturally, Coach Pop is gonna want to keep his minutes down to 32 per game (or less, even!) just so he has gas for the playoffs.
Not to mention the fact that he no longer has to “shoulder the load”. We now have a different team dynamic – what we call “the big three” – Tim, Tony, and Manu. Even though the minutes won’t be distributed between them (obviously, they play different positions), other stats (especially scoring), will. All in all, I feel that TD’s stats will likely level out where they are, as long as he plays 30+ minutes per game and stays healthy.
Having said that, he’s been remarkably consistent over time (21.4/11.7/2.3 blks per). And there’s nothing to indicate that he wouldn’t be able to get back to those numbers, with the exception of PPG, and be just as reliable over the next 2 or 3 years. Tyrus’s potential, however, is based on the just the last three months of this past season, where he averaged 31+ minutes. The numbers are really good, don’t get me wrong. But I feel I need to see more over time before I jump at Thomas this early.
I still feel that if I had to choose between Duncan’s proven consistency and TT’s potential, I’d have to go with Duncan.
Like they say “Win now!” Not in the next 2-5 years.
But, like I’ve said before, if I was wrong and I end up having to buy high into Thomas just to save a season, so be it. You called it – scoreboard.
Well don’t forget that Thomas also averaged 12.0/8.9/1.3/1/3 at LSU, so it’s not really “what could have been” but “what could have been given the chance”, and I don’t think there’s any doubt he’ll get all the minutes he can stay out of foul trouble for next year.
As for Duncan, we all know his role now. Pop knows his role. He’ll be used when he’s needed, and not a minute more. They’ll still be a playoff team as long as Duncan, Parker, and Ginobili are around, but you’re right, they don’t need to lean on him as much. Personally, I think their supporting cast is better today than it was in ’05. So whether it’s because he’s injury prone, or being utilized less, he’ll continue to regress everywhere and retire in 3 years.
Thomas has a better chance of going 15/9/3/2/3 than Duncan has of going 20/10/2.
Awww, cm’on! No fair! Breaking out the college numbers on me like that – pinche stat junkie!
So riddle me this, Batman, when was the last time LSU played against the Cavs? The C’s? How about Orlando? Or anybody out west? Can you tell where I’m going with this?
Give me another year to REALLY see what Thomas’s numbers will be like, against NBA TALENT, then I’ll decide if he’s worth the long term investment.
That’s where we disagree on this – where you see Duncan slowly regressing over the next three years, I see him leveling off or maybe even picking up some of those numbers over the next three. In my opinion, it’d be worth going with a sure thing for another year while watching, waiting and evaluating what Thomas can do with some serious playing time.
I will admit, though, that some things have got to happen in SA for Duncan’s “comeback” to be a reality. Given their glaring weaknesses in the first round of this years playoffs, though, I wouldn’t be surprised if those changes happened sooner than later. Talk around here is if it doesn’t happen this off-season, it’ll be next (2010), which still puts us well within that three year cushion for TD.
Damn! Now I suddenly have the urge to put on face paint and scream out fight songs!
You’re right, he never did play the Cavs or Celtics in college. What does that prove? He played his peers then and he’s playing his peers now, his college numbers merely show a glimpse of his potential given the playing time. He’s 1 of 4 players in the league that had at least 3 games with 6 or more blocks, and one of those games just happens to be against the Celtics in the playoffs. Is that a big enough stage for you?
Honestly, how many guys do you see level off or pick up their numbers in their final seasons? If you look at Duncan’s career, you can see a definite regression over the years, and there’s more reason than ever to believe his minutes will be cut down even more next year. He’s had a great career and still has plenty left in the tank, but in a keeper league, from this point on, you gotta take the upside over the downslide.
Also, being a keeper draft, you don’t have the luxury of waiting another year and seeing what Thomas can do over 82 games. It’s now or never, and I’d much rather have Thomas on my team long term than Duncan or any of the other guys above for a couple years then be back at square one.
Ok, look, if you want to break out college stats for any of these guys down the stretch, that’s fine with me. Fact of the matter is, the college game is NOT the pro game, no matter how you slice it. And I get the idea of using those stats as a barometer for measuring his potential (obviously the Chicago coaching staff didn’t read the memo those first few years – Vinny got it, though).
And I never said he wouldn’t be worth taking a chance on at this stage – I’ve said before that I think he’s really had a breakout second half of the season. There is definitely strong, solid, potential there!
But to answer your question, “Honestly, how many guys do you see level off or pick up their numbers in their final seasons?” I have to say few, if ANY!
Having said that, how many guys have you seen play with the level of consistency that Duncan has throughout his career? Again, the answer would be, very few, if ANY! And I happen to think he can keep it up for at least another three years – ON TWO CONDITIONS: 1. He stays healthy. and 2. The Spurs management gets him some help! Either another big to back him up or play alongside with, or a fourth slasher/scorer who can create his own shot. If all this falls into place, Duncan could still get his 30+ minutes per game. And in MY OPINION, he could maintain his current level of production.
Honestly, if I WERE in a keeper league, and this being a keeper draft, I WOULD have the luxury of waiting another year – hell, I can do whatever I want! That’s MY strategy. If I have to keep five players, and my first four were solid, hands-down, no-brainer keepers, and the fifth slot is between Thomas and Duncan, I’m taking Duncan. Because I want to! Because I feel he can maintain his level of play. That’s MY role of the dice!
And if you beat me in the league championship next year with Thomas as your F1 or F2, hey, more power to you! Congrats! Like I said before – You called it – SCOREBOARD!
all this arguing is pointless because Jamison should be picked before either. 22.2/8.9 with a few assists, over a steal, and low turnovers. Come on people…to basically get a 20/10 guy now would not be so bad.
Oh, for the love of Pete…:\
Duncan’s a 20/10.
Ha, ha, ha, haaaa, ha,
My 20/10′s better than yourrrrs!
He runs faster, jumps higher…
And is better looking!
Doesn’t matter anyway – Thomas is going at #42, so we might as well put it all to bed.
BTW, where was Ashley during all this?
Yeah man, not that I’d be pissed to have Duncan or Jamison on my team (they will probably both outproduce Thomas next year), but from a GM’s standpoint, in a dynasty-like setting, I think Thomas has some serious blocking potential, and I don’t have to see him play 40 minutes a game for a full season to see that. He’s raw and inconsistent, but the more experience he gets, the more confident and disciplined he’ll be. If Forman has any common sense, he’ll stick with Rose, Gordon, Deng, Noah, Salmons, and Thomas for years to come.
P.S. Saying Duncan is better looking than Jamison is like saying Isiah is a better GM than Rob Babcock.
Yeah! Isiah Rocks!
Go Golden Panthers!!!
Great blog, Buser. I’ve long lamented the absence of quality keeper-related content on the net. Glad to see some folks interested in discussing the topic.
For my question: I’m happy to say that I have a number of players to choose from for my keeper league next year. 9-cat, roto, standard Yahoo! settings.
My players include: Durant, Rose, Mayo, Westbrook, Bynum, Arenas, Ellis. Unfortunately, I can only keep three. I will also have a high pick next year, so really I can probably keep 4. Who would you keep? I am sold on Durant and Rose, and considering a 2 for 1 to get another player. I was thinking of offering Mayo and Bynum for Dirk. Any ideas?
glad you found us here! for roto, attempting to acquire dirk makes plenty of sense. and in a 3-player keeper, you can shift your focus a bit more to player impact in the present instead of speculating down the line. i’d also inquire about granger and you could also try dangling rose+1 in front of whoever has paul, james, or wade to see if they bite
lalaw – 1) When do you have to declare your keepers? & 2) How many seasons are you able to keep a player on your roster?
The first question is important because both Bynum and especially Arenas have serious health questions coming into next season. Also, if Washington moves up or drafts a PG at #5, this would obviously affect Arenas’ value. Similarly, if OKC lands Rubio at #3, then this will definitely hurt Westbrook. The more time you have, the better it is for you to evaluate injuries, the draft, and FA additions.
The second question is important because I am of the opinion (and apparently in the minority here) that both Rose & Westbrook are not quite ready to make the jump to fantasy stardom just yet(especially in a roto league where TO’s count). If you can hold onto them for 2+ years, then Rose is likely worth keeping along with Durant.
I haven’t played roto yet, but from a talent perspective I think your good with Durant and Rose.
If you can pull off the move for Dirk, I’d go for that as well.
I’d also try for Paul or Wade – I’d seriously doubt LBJ’s owner would bite on that deal – but you could try!
Good points. I don’t have to declare for quite some time–I think we lock in 2 weeks before our draft. Also, its a dynasty league, so we can keep players indefinitely.
I am completely with you on your thoughts.
To be honest, I’m not a huge fan of Dirk or Bynum, but have a bias towards big men because I think the would complement Rose/Durant. If had wasn’t able to pull off a 2 for 1, I would lean towards keeping Bynum for that reason.
And yes, I will definitely dangle whoever and whatever I can for LBJ, CP3, etc. Unfortunately, their owners didn’t have much of an appetite for it late last season, but we’ll see if that will change in the offseason.
Hawes! Hawes! Hawes!!
HAWES!!
Time to put him on the bubble now I think!
yeah i hear ya, but where does he fit in when manu, eric gordon, nate robinson, chalmers, thad young, artest, bogut, barbosa, okur, jameer, turkoglu, nash… still have yet to be mentioned?
Before them all.
Just my pure fantasy standpoint.
I mean all the players you mention have either FA, coach or injury issues. Hawes has neither and is the main big on a team that MUST rely on him heavily next year…
I have a suggestion. Why not take out 2-3 guys who have been consistently not getting votes (redd? terry?) and then replace them with some other players for the mean time. I’m thinking the list of players are getting limited coz it seems like nobody plans to vote those players in for a while.
you could try taking out the 2-3 players with the lowest amount of votes every round for example.
i actually have been doing that on occasion. not changing over 2-3 players per round, but swapping out players that go a few rounds with little-to-no votes
I think our last 5 are already on that list anyway. Although Parker’s popularity has been a little surprising.
Oh oh. Another suggestion. Put where they ranked in per game averages at the end of the season. That way, we have another gauge if we’re already over-valuing/under-valuing a player instead of just relying on memory and their ages.
Guys I need your input, I’m in a 12 Team Keeper League with 3 keeps each year. Finished 3rd this year, so I’ll be picking 10th next year.
My 1st 2 keeps are no-brainers, Granger and Pau Gasol. The last one I’m having a bit of a problem, it’s between Rajon Rondo and Brook Lopez. Who to pick? WHO TO PICK? Everybody seems to be leaning towards Brook (even this ranking) but ever so slightly only. But my gut also tells me Rajon Rondo could be something. So what do you guys think?
Rondo is my boy. But with Granger and Pau, you’re off to a nice start in FT%, and Rondo will hurt you there. Brook’s ceiling probably isnt as high as Rondo’s but he’s a solid pick that doesnt hurt you anywhere. You should easily be able to take a good PG in your first couple of rounds- maybe a conley or westbrook. To complement granger, you want a PG with 3′s and FT%. Rondo is great, but those are his main weaknesses.
Two things:
1. Your gut reaction is usually the right one, so go with your gut.
2. Are you playing roto or H2H? If you’re playing roto (the way I understand it) then Rondo might be the way to go because he gives you solid (per game average) numbers in AST, FG%, as well as decent numbers in PTS and REB (for a guard). If you’re playing H2H, I’d go with Lopez – if you compare the two per game averages, Lopez wins 6 cats to 3 (6-3). Plus, he doesn’t hurt you in FT% and TO’s.
I know 1. and 2. contradict each other, but that should give you enough food for thought (along with dasein’s points) to help you make a decision. Personally, I’d go with Lopez, but that’s just me. I also believe in going with your gut, so if that’s the case, Rondo is your guy.
Let us know how it pans out.
It’s Roto. And yes, although conventional wisdom says go for the bigs, I cannot deny the fact that Rondo is the future star of BOS not to mention a possible triple double threat every night. He has the ball in his hands most of the time.. Brook while good, well I just can’t shake off the impression that he needs somebody to set him up in order to rack up the stats. I don’t see him creating his own offense any time soon. (But boy do I hope he falls to me with my 10th pick haha.)
There is a really good chance the Nets try and add a PF this offseason. Yi and ryan anderson are not the answer
lopez is the better roto option. he was 38th in per-game during the season’s second half (as in, his final 41 games). over the same time-frame, rondo was 86th. and for as great as rondo was at accumulating counting stats in the playoffs, he also shot .417 from the field and .657 from the line. in roto, particularly in the first few rounds, you have to look at pluses/minuses in 9 categories, not the potential for upside in a few
ahh..its Roto. Then Lopez is the clear pick; what I said earlier gets amplified. From experience, I know that Rondo hurts your FT% more then you might think. I’m a Celtics homer, but real life appreciation has no place in fantasy. Go with the numbers…
Lopez makes sense to me to. Like I said, I’m still getting used to thinking “roto”, but H2H its almost a no-brainer.
Wow. So much Lopez Love. I guess he must be the pick. And I’m guessing with the emergence of new talent at PG, I will be able to replace Rondo with comparable talent. It’s just that PG, despite the new talent, is still the next most scarce position after C. So I guess that’s where my apprehension comes from.
Also, just wanted to mention that I also had Eric Gordon on my team, who is equally a very viable keeper option. I had a pretty good “young guy” crop. Come to think of it? Where the hell is Eric Gordon on the list???
E-Gor only really gives you scoring and 3′s. He’s not a top 50 pick.
Go with Lopez. Position scarcity is huge in roto, and Lopez looks to be a solid anchor.
i have to keep 5 of these players in a long term keeper league, which i’m the champ and want to repeat.
1.chris paul(obvious)
2.dirk()
3.Rashard
4.Boozer
5.Aldridge
6.devin Harris
David Lee
Tyrus Thomas
Luis Scola
paul, dirk, lma, harris, lee