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Consensus Keeper Rankings Discussion: 15-23

Note: closed polls immediately show up on the “Polls Archive” page, so you’ll be able to track voting there as we move along. I’ll make a new post every so often, as to avoid getting multiple pages deep in terms of comments. If you have an active conversation going in the previous post(s), by all means keep it going – just start new conversations here.

The methodology will be simple – I’ll post a poll with eight or ten players to choose from, and the player with the most votes gets the nod for that position. The plan for now is to leave polls live for 24 to 48 hours – if there is a run-away winner, we’ll come in on the short side, and if it’s close between two or more players, we’ll leave it open a bit longer. As for settings, assume whichever you personally prefer – the rankings should skew towards whatever settings the consensus uses, as well.

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88 Responses to “Consensus Keeper Rankings Discussion: 15-23”

  1. Ashley says:

    went with bynum… he obviously has the ability to put up great numbers. he’s only 21 and still getting bigger and better, just needs to stay healthy.

    gasol would’ve been my 2nd choice.

    i hope brook lopez is due up soon! some people might prefer him over bynum.

    and troy murphy.. i’d rather have him than rashard lewis

    • nsink says:

      How do you put bynum over gasol. Bynum has been hurt 2 years running and even when healthy and on the court with gasol, gasol puts up better numbers. Yea he is young but if you’re trying to win next year and the year after compared to 5 years down the line gasol has to be above bynum. They are on the same team, same schedule yet gasol puts up better numbers and is a much more polished player.

    • nsink says:

      How is 30 year old rashard on the poll over 24 year old Melo. 3′s are one of the easiest stats to come by on the wire, i’d rather have a 25 pt scorer who could blow up for 40 on any night then a 3 pt specialist this early in the draft. I guess it depends on H2H or roto preference.

      • boxjohnson says:

        Did you see where Melo finished this year? O-ver ra-ted *clap clap clap clap clap*.

        • nsink says:

          he finished 7th in scoring per game. he was also injured this year so season stats dont tell it all. his fantasy season wasn’t as good as previous but overall he played a much better season of basketball hitting the boards and playing some D

          • boxjohnson says:

            Are we going to gloss over that egregious turnover rate and the fact he shoots 44% on such a high volume?

            • nsink says:

              off year with the elbow he is a 48% shooter. Just as many TO’s as lebron and a better A:T ratio then Durant

            • Ashley says:

              where do you get 48% from? his numbers have been trending down across the board over the last 3 years. he gets you no hustle stats, he’s basically zach randolph but atleast randolph gets you 10 boards a game.

              don’t say his A:T ratio is better than durant’s when melo has a career 3.1:3.1 ratio and durant has a career 2.8:3.0 ratio.. give me a break lol.

              and who cares that lebron averaged 3 turnovers a game.. he had 7.2 assists to go along with it.

              just drop your case with melo, k? no one intelligent would take him in the 2nd or even the 3rd round.

              • nsink says:

                It was 48.1 47.6 49.2 before his elbow troubles this year thats not trending down. In a H2H keeper i’d def take 24 year old melo over 30 year old rashard 3′s are so easy to come by a 25 pt scorer is not

              • Ashley says:

                this is getting annoying…..

                what does melo have to do with rashard??!

                he’s a career 46% shooter. 3 of his 6 seasons he’s shot less than 44%

                zach randolph had a better season average. i’m done with this non-sense, melo isn’t a top 15 player. there are so many more valuable players than him still available. draft him if you want.

                • nsink says:

                  Because my comment was if rashard is on the poll why isn’t melo thats all i never said melo was top 15. you guys twisted my comments around i was just comparing melo and rashard

                  • boxjohnson says:

                    I think your premise is wrong. Points seem easy to come by, but you’re not getting much else from him. I agree with Ashley; if you want a headcase that scores, why not draft Z-Bo?

                    • nsink says:

                      Z-bo has only played in over 70 games 3 times. only avg over 21 once, has a worse A:T ratio, gets less assists, steals, threes, and has a worse FT%, and a lower overall ceiling for growth.
                      obviously no one would draft Z-bo over melo that is just an inane argument.

                    • Ashley says:

                      i never said randolph was better, i just said that randolph and melo are similar players. and since no one likes randolph, why should everyone like melo?

                    • Juckwin says:

                      Wow nsink… I’m backing you on this one. Melo was tough to own this year because of the elbow injury that clearly affected his shooting percentages. I’d definitely have him over Rashard this past season and as a keeper. Don’t get me wrong – I like Rashard, but if it came down to deciding between these two, I’d take Carmelo. (PS – I’m a H2H player).

  2. dasein says:

    at number 15, we’re still in first round territory, so taking Bynumn here means you are essentially building a team around him; a guy that has missed subtantial time every season, has only really shown patches of quality, and is at best the 3rd scoring option on the lakers. Would you really build around this? Really?

    Am interested to hear justifications for this.

    • Ashley says:

      this is a KEEPER draft, key word being “keeper” and it’s the 2nd round, not 1st. bynum is 7 years younger than gasol and gasol only took off once bynum went down.

      josh smith averages 15 ppg and bynum is much more likely to average 20+ ppg than josh smith.

      it’s too early to write off bynum, if that’s what you’re suggesting. and when did i say i’d build my team around bynum???

      i’m not even sure why i’m defending my decision to go with bynum. he’ll go 15, or 16 at the latest. a keeper draft is based on potential, the reason why he’s a 15th-16th pick and not a top 10 pick is because of his injury history. it’s not a given that he’ll be injured every year, kobe fell into his knee.. it was a freak injury. he has a ton of potential and that’s what i’d be drafting in him.

      • royalzan says:

        I agree with Ashley. In a “keeper” draft bynum has much more potential than gasol at this point.

        As buser said in an earlier post Josh Smith’s stats have hit a wall with the emergence of Al Horford. His blocks have dipped and it could be a sign of things to come. Smith’s lackluster FT percentage is also a huge detriment.

        Bynum when healthy has 20, 10 and 1.5+ blks written all over him. If he doesn’t develop that next year he will the year after that. He is an excellent FT shooter and could easily improve on his 70 percent this season.

        The injury prone tag has been put on him. It’s really the only negative attribute he has going for him at this point.

        • Ashley says:

          a couple weeks ago i listed multiple reasons as to why i’m not a fan of josh smith. he didn’t hit a wall this year, he hit a wall about 2 years ago and still hasn’t broken through.

          he reminds me of andruw jones. every year with andruw commentators would be like, “he’s still only 24.. 25.. 26.. 27.. etc.” year after year they kept saying that, and yeah.. andruw had a couple monster years, but he never took the time to improve his game. now josh smith is going down that track.. he, like andruw, started his career as an 18 year old and people were impressed with his raw talent. josh smith has stalled, people say “he’s still just 23 years old..” but he’s in the league for 5 years!

          so i’ll let other people draft him, and then it’ll be another year of reading their comments on fantasy NBA forums.. “what’s wrong with josh smith? do you think he’ll break out of his funk anytime soon? what should i do with him??”

          sorry, but i don’t want to build my team around a player who takes off games, lacks motivation, and lacks the desire to fulfill his potential.

      • mr. gm says:

        Yes, but Pau produces one of the top, if not the best, efficiency rating in the NBA, which is obviously overlooked by the masses. Bynum much more likely to avg 20+ ppg, are you insane? He’ll barely crack 15 as long as Kobe and Pau are around, and yes JSmoov has been a bust this yr, relative to his ADP (I drafted him in the 1st-round…ARRGGHH!)

  3. hyde says:

    I am suprised to see yao still very low

  4. G. Polo says:

    I’m going with Gasol. No injury concerns, game isn’t based on athleticism so he should age well, plays in a great system, has been 20/10 forever, and should definitely have at least 3 more years of elite production and be productive until he’s 35 because he has Kobe leading him.

    It’s really not like you won’t find many early 20s guys with potential to become studs later in the draft or the future. I don’t see the point in excessively reaching on youth each time, I only take the youngest guys if they are in the same tier as a guy in his prime, even if the prime guy is at the top of it and the young guy is at the bottom. Even in a keeper, the goal is to win now, not create a roster stacked with young guys who should dominate in 2-3 years. This doesn’t mean drafting a roster like the Celtics but you really don’t need to impose a age 25 and under limit on your roster. If it’s strictly the youngest players with the highest upside and not trying to win in 2010, Derrick Rose is the choice here instead.

    • Ashley says:

      yeah but who’s to say derrick rose won’t completely break out next year? NBA isn’t like MLB.. i avoid prospects in baseball. yeah you’ll have braun’s and longoria’s every now and then. but most of them end up like delmon young, alex gordon, homer bailey, justin upton, phil hughes, jay bruce, and so on. those guys could all end up contributing, but they get so hyped up as “the next great thing” and then they just disappoint everyone.

      but the NBA is completely different. durant is a superstar at 20 years old.. rose is going to be ROY most likely, westbrook is 20 and had a 15 pt, 5 reb, 5 ast rookie season, brook lopez is ranked #25 based on season totals last i checked.. this was a very strong rookie class overall.

      i understand what you’re saying, most people probably do put too much weight on a players age.. but no one wants to pass up on the next break-out superstar, and they tend to be the 20-21 yr olds, not players who are 27+

      • G. Polo says:

        In any fantasy draft, you really win championships by nailing the late round picks and not completely botching the early rounds. Good luck to the owners of Elton Brand winning their leagues this year whereas other guys drafted a safer option like Duncan were in good shape if they nailed some sleepers. This still applies to keeper drafts. Drafting a guy in his prime who doesn’t carry a huge risk instead of the next big thing later is a better investment when you’re drafting the 2/3 best guys on your team. I’d rather pick the safer investments now and worry about the young guys later. I’d see where Blake Griffin goes and look at the veterans who go before him. If all goes well, he’ll belong in the top 20-25 discussion but you won’t need to pay the price for that this year.

        This rookie class was nice but just assuming young guy = will always get better and better and worth passing on safe options who aren’t dinosaurs is a recipe for disaster.

        • Ashley says:

          if you don’t know what you’re doing, take the safer options. drafting a guy in the 1st round after he played like 10 games the previous season is just stupid, but for whatever reason the “experts” at yahoo had him #6 on the preseason rankings and said he’d average close to 20/10.

          if you have a strong group of keepers, you can take more risks on younger players. i’m not going to draft every single sophomore who’s available in my keeper draft next year.. but there are plenty of breakout candidates that i think will be good values… augustin, a. randolph, chalmers.. i think beasley will be good, but i’m not sure how much hype he’ll be getting next year. i have 5 keepers in my keeper league, i would maybe consider him with the first pick in the 7th round. but with my first 2 picks i would prefer to take proven guys.

    • dasein says:

      I was going to reply to the pro-Bynum posts with exactly what Polo has said. In addition to this I’ll add that players are somewhat like money in that production has more value now then in the future. You would have struggled to get Gasol for say, Beasley in a trade this year because the former can help you win now. But if during the course of a season you decide you cant win now and want to build for the future, you will always be able to trade someone like Pau for a young up-and-comer, but the reverse isnt true.

      A couple points specific to Bynum- he is not an excellent FT shooter; 67% career, and even if he improves slightly, 70% is far below average. So while he wont kill you like Dwight, he certainly doesnt help you like an Amare or Yao. Secondly, its not a given that he will become a 20ppg guy. Most of his scoring is cleaning up around the rim, or finishing what others create. In fact at the start of the season, Phil Jackson laughed at Bynum’s assertion that he wanted to average 20 and 10 this year, saying “he wont get enough touches to do that”. You could argue that this will change in the future, but im not sure what that argument would be based on. 15ppg is a safer assumption.

      • Ashley says:

        that’s a pretty weak argument against bynum, honestly. if he shot 70% FTs, i’m pretty sure most people would be content with that.. considering he’s 7 ft.

        “Most of his scoring is cleaning up around the rim, or finishing what others create.”

        that is some great insight……

        what big man creates his own shots? shaq? dwight? oden? or do they put away offensive boards and easy dunks that their guards set up for them?

        15 ppg is what he averaged this year.. you don’t think he’ll improve? he was ranked #3 overall for the month before he got injured. so umm.. please, come up with a stronger argument. the guy has a ton of upside, the only knock on him is his injury history… when he’s playing at 100% he’s a force, and like i said before, he’ll continue to get stronger and better

        • dasein says:

          heehee. I was thinking more in terms of having a post-up game like the good block scorers, (Shaq, Yao, Al Jefferson etc) not taking guys off the dribble. You’re right that dwight is similar, but I wuddnt count him as a great scorer, although he’s improving. In terms of FT- missed shots are missed shots regardless of the hight of the scorer. My point that he isnt an excellent shooter and doesnt help in the FT cat, still stands.
          Think we’ll just have to agree to disagree, but this is what makes fantasy fun. You take Bynum, I take someone else and we get to see who was right. :)

          • Ashley says:

            i’m not saying i personally would take bynum. i have brook lopez in my keeper league so he’s my man. all i’m saying is that bynum is 21, he has shown flashes of greatness, and that if he stays healthy he’ll be one of the top centers in the game.

            and we’re at the part of the draft where there’s a noticeable drop-off in talent. i would hate to have this pick. you can take josh smith and he’ll be a pain in the ass most of the year, and bynum could break out.. or you could take bynum and he could find a way to injure his knee.. again. so there’s no sure pick right here, in my opinion atleast.

        • nsink says:

          Al jeff and duncan creates his own oppurtunities. Dwight definately is a put back guy though

      • r a y says:

        I have a feeling that Josh Smith will blow up against Miami in the playoffs. A motivated Josh Smith is nuts, just like last year against Boston. And then by next year draft we will be tempted to draft him early because of his potential again.

    • nsink says:

      I actually think rose should be on this poll soon i think he could be a great player by next year, probably more 3-4 rd then 2 though

    • boxjohnson says:

      No injury concerns? Factor in his international play and going deep into the playoffs for a second straight year and you have to wonder when we see the wear take its toll.

      I took Bynum. When Odom leaves town, he’ll be the man.

  5. dasein says:

    This topic leads to an interesting side poll: who will be the top, lets say 15, players in 3 years time? In no particular order, I’ll guess:

    CP3, LeBron, Wade, Dwight, Durant, Granger, Rose, Beasley, Deron, Westbrook, Lopez, Roy, Al Jefferson, Mayo, Conley.

    Big question marks: Kobe- will he still be here in 3 years, or head off for some fun in europe having accomplished everything? Oden- will he turn the corner and live up to the hype? Rondo- can he continue to improve, develop a jump shot, and function when not surrounded by scorers? Amare- who knows? Of course, big question marks on Mayo and Conley too, I’m just speculating that they are going to become the league’s most dynamic back court given a little time to develop.

    Interested to hear others versions.

    • Ashley says:

      reasonable list.. but there’s no way dwight will be the #3 overall player.

      think he’ll magically shoot 75% FT’s? 1.5 TO’s game? And average 20/20?

      don’t see it happening. lebron, durant, cp3 are my top 3

      derrick favors – 24 pts, 17 reb, 9.5 blks as a junior.. he chose ga tech over uga =(

      he’ll be top 15

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-z1roI7-fQ

    • G. Polo says:

      Real life? I assume thats what you mean since the poll is basically about who will be the best guys in 3 years.

      Lebron, Wade, Durant, CP3, Kobe, Dwight, Roy, Deron, Rose, Bosh, Granger, Jefferson, Carmelo, Yao, and Gasol are good candidates of guys currently in the league to be there. I think the first 9 are the legit franchise players who lead teams to either rings or regular conference finals appearances, drops off to guys better suited as elite #2′s like Gasol to Kobe starting with Bosh. Fantasy is basically the same, would swap out Carmelo for Harris then and keep the rest. I’m only confident that the top 12 will still be there.

      Top 3 – Lebron and Wade are 100% locks, the next guy is either Kobe, CP3 or Durant for real life. Lebron, CP3, and Wade for fantasy. Durant still has a long way to go before getting on Wade’s level, fantasy and otherwise because you can take any of his monthly splits and Wade’s overall line is still more impressive. I’m also quite sure a 30 year old Wade will be just fine, Kobe doesn’t look too washed up either at that ripe old age.

      • Ashley says:

        Sorry, but Durant doesn’t have a long way to go before he’s on Wade’s level.

        Durant was scoring 30+ with ease before he rolled his ankle and missed a few weeks. Next year I don’t think anyone would be surprised if he averaged 30 pts, 8 reb, 4 ast, 1.5 stl, 1 blk, 2 3′s, and great percentages. He’s playing with a rookie PG who wasn’t even a PG in college.. Westbrook will only get better at creating shots for Durant in the future.

        Durant was almost ranked higher than Wade in this year’s keeper rankings, so I feel like it’s kinda silly to say that in 3 years Wade will still be ahead of Durant. But you’re entitled to your opinion.

    • nsink says:

      you have conley over Melo – Griffin – Jose – aldrige – Bosh – Amare – Dirk – Martin – Iggy -J-smoove – Mo william

      • Ashley says:

        melo will never be a top 15 fantasy player.. and in 3 years neither will amare.

        mo williams? you’re funny.

        • nsink says:

          but you think conley will

        • nsink says:

          Mo was 24 this season and what about Harris, really think conley will be better then harris

          • Ashley says:

            did i list conley? no.

            mo will never be a top 15 player when he’s playing with the #1 overall player. he gives you 3′s, 16-17 ppg, and average stats elsewhere. he’s not top 15 calibur and he definitely won’t be top 15 in 3 years. he isn’t even being kept in my keeper league.

            it’s easier for me to see conley becoming a top 15 player than mo, that’s for sure. but that doesn’t mean i think conley will ever be that good.

            • nsink says:

              Fair enough, I wasn’t saying Mo was top 15 just that having conley listed over those 10 players seemed off. if you add those ten i listed to the 15 that’d put Mo around 25 where he finished this season,

  6. blazer52 says:

    hey buser, great work with this poll

    just one thing how come no one has mentioned arenas?
    fair enough he’s had a terrible run of seasons lately, but he should at least be on that list for consideration at this point

  7. b_rad82 says:

    If J Smoov had ever in his life had a coach worth anything he would be the easy pick here. Unfortunately. . .

  8. Doc Oc says:

    Hey Buser… this is kind of off topic, but I just wanted to say thanks for the advice throughout the season. I won my championship and appreciated your articles and comments on the boards here.

  9. dasein says:

    Now this is where it really starts to get tough.
    I went with Yao simply because he is a lock for top 10 performance when healthy. I know this is a big cavet, but at this stage I dont see anyone else with reliable health who I expect to provide Yao’s level of production, and his full season this year would give me some hope. Thought about Rose or Lopez, but went with the proven record because I always want to win now.
    I wouldnt blame anyone for going with someone else though…

  10. jasonbourne says:

    How does one know that Yao’s really 28? I put J Smoove over Yao because of that and Yao still needs to show he’s durable for the season and throughout the playoffs. If he quit playing for China during the off-season, then that would help a lot.

  11. sammydavis says:

    This topic is just huge, I’m really in a tough spot trying to decide if Barbosa is worth a 6th rounder next year or Villanueva is worth a 9th rounder. Hope we get there soon. ;)
    I voted ‘other’ here, soooo my comment is: how about Hawes?? If Sac will not get Griffin he has the potential to be a 20 point 10 board 2 trey 2 block beast IMO. Oh yeah, he can also hit his FTs and has great vision to add in some assists too… Hmm?

    • Ashley says:

      20/10, 2 3′s, 2 blk are pretty lofty expectations.. and he’s not a great FT shooter. He should be solid, played well down the stretch, but I don’t think he’ll be 20/10 with 2 3′s. I’d be happy with 16/8, 1 3ptm.

    • nsink says:

      How many team league, how many players per team?

      Personally I wouldn’t keep barbosa for a 6th .482 .881 1.3 14.2 2.6 2.3 1.2 0.1 is too pedestrian of a line although i think his scoring avg will go up at a full season of the faster pace. In the 6th you can score a potential breakout canidate. Now by the time of the 9th charlie V can be a solid bench player for you although he is maddening to own sometimes.

      • sammydavis says:

        14 teams at 15 players per. I’ll have to decide on the keepers by the end of May so no rush… But knowing anything about Barbosa and CV would be nice esp. if they get traded or something…
        No worries, maybe I’ll keep Gomes as a 9th rounder. :D

  12. royalzan says:

    I need opinions on this:

    So I have to 2 out of these 3 for my finaly keeper Carmelo Anthony, David West, and Steve Nash as my final keeper. Who should I pick? This is a 12 person league and standard yahoo Roto categories apply.

    My thoughts:
    1) Nash: He is old, but if he gets traded to Knicks or Gentry continues coaching the suns his numbers should slightly mirror his MVP numbers of old. I can focus on drafting young talent to develop to replace Nash after the next season.
    2) Carmelo Anthony: He is YOUNG, but statistically it seems like he has hit his peak. This season his FG dropped dramatically which hurt his value by a lot. He is still a dynamic scorer and its possible if he adds the three point threat and averaged a tad bit more steals his game could still evolve.
    3) David West: He is a guaranteed 20pts and 8 rebound guy with decent percentages as long as he plays with Chris Paul.

    btw my other 2 keepers are Bynum and Granger… Again I need to pick 2 out of these 3. FYI: other potential candidates might include Monta ellis, Spencer Hawes, and conley. I agree my keeper selection is quite weak, but thats what I have to work with.

    Opinions please. Thanks!

    • boxjohnson says:

      Are TO’s a std cat?

    • nsink says:

      He had elbow issues this year for the fg% problem i dont think it will stay this low

      • Ashley says:

        Quit with the elbow issues already, ok?? You’re making Melo sound like a wimp. Every NBA player has to deal with nagging injuries throughout the season. Wade probably feels like a 60 year old man every morning when he’s trying to get out of bed, but that doesn’t slow him down on the court.

        • nsink says:

          You dont think, when he was at 48% for 3 years in a row, he had a problem with his shooting elbow and his FG% dropping have any correlation. You just think all of a sudden as he starts to hit his prime age he forgets how to shoot?

        • boxjohnson says:

          The guy said he couldn’t pick up his kid at one point. Who isn’t yet one. He won’t be that low again, but I still take West by a nose.

    • Ashley says:

      Keep Nash for balance, since your other 3 keepers aren’t big on assists.. Nash will probably continue to decline, but he won’t completely drop off like AI did this year. I’m sure he’ll atleast average 1+ 3ptm, 48% FG, 90% FT, 14 pts, 8.5 ast.

      Between Melo and West I’d go with West.. Fewer turnovers, better %’s, less injury-prone, twice as many blocks.

      And in next year’s draft just look to draft younger PG’s like you said.

      Granger, Nash, West, and Bynum is a solid group to draft around. They just need to stay healthy.

    • dasein says:

      Wouldnt say your selection is that bad. Granger is obviously a lock, and the guy u wanna build around. Buser made the interesting point that he is the no.1 player if u punt assits- so this cud be a tactic. You could take West and Monta, who both give you good %’s at volume to complement granger. Monta is a little under the radar because of injuries, but I think he’ll give u more than Nash next year. Im not that high on Bynum; think hes overated at this point, but then again, so is Carmelo. However, at least you know Carmelo is the no.1 option on his team, which means a lot. Bynum will have big nights and nights where he disapears, while Melo will always get his touches. Anyway, hope this gives you an alternate view and something to think about.

      • royalzan says:

        Right now I am leaning toward keeping Granger, Bynum, Nash, and Melo mainly because I like the thought of balancing my team out with Nash. Although Nash is a turnover machine his overvalue contributions to FG, FT and especially assists does wonders. I’ll probably dump him after this year or try to sell high on him for a young prospect next year when he is hot.

        I think I will be able to draft Monta next season. I managed to finish 6th in my league and we have a lottery style draft next year with the last place team weighted with the most obviously and so on up the chain. Just like the nba draft!

        I’m just torn over Melo vs West. Man… I tried so hard to trade both west and melo for Durant, but obviously Durant is just untouchable to that owner at this time. I do believe Melo’s shooting percentage will bounce back. If West could just consistently average 1.5 blocks I think i would be sold immediately on him. The thing that makes me lean towards melo is that his rebound avg of 6.8 is fairly close to david West at 8.5 considering one is a small forward and the other a power forward. I also expect Melo’s scoring average to increase up to 24ppg a game if his FG bumps up to 47% as a fair guess. Let’s say melo can average 1.2 threes… that would be another bonus. Potential wise it just seems like Melo has more room to grow. I think my best bet is to trade him tho.

        Anyways I just want to thank everyone for chipping in.

    • mr. gm says:

      Melo is overrated. Nash is up there in age. The verdict: David West. Bigs like him are few and far b/t that can net you basically 20/10 w/ sterling percentages and some D on any given night.

  13. runningdonut says:

    I realize this far down it becomes kind of subjective, crap shoot situation. However, I’m not incredibly high on the top 2 vote getters right now, Josh Smith and Bynum

    Calderon and Gerald Wallace have a huge upside potential next year, so I like them more

  14. bunts says:

    Guys…its pretty clear which keepers are good to keep at the top, which is why I need some help/advice for my weaker keepers next year. My league requires 5 keepers and at the moment my options aren’t looking good. My first three are:

    1. Chris Paul
    2. John Salmons
    3. Ramon Sessions

    I have two more spots open and I can’t decide between the following players:
    Richard Jefferson
    Mike Conley
    Chris Kaman
    Anthony Randolph
    Big Z (Ilgauskas)

    Any advice would be much appreciated.

    I’ve also found article that is an interesting read about the subject. I strongly recommend you guys check it out.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/fantasy/03/09/fantasy.lab/index.html

    • hyde says:

      kaman jefferson

    • dasein says:

      Jefferson is safe. For the second, if you can leave it till the start of next season, you could wait and see whether its likely that Randolph will get minutes- huge upside. Also, might wanna hold your horses and rethink Sessions, who may be stuck in the time share again. Im picking Conley to break out next year, and finish top 50. He is at least certain to start from now on but same cant be said of Sessions. You cant trust Kaman to stay healthy, but could keep him and try and trade him as soon as he puts up some nice numbers, but before he gets injured.

      • royalzan says:

        I would rethink sessions also. Conley has an edge over sessions at this point because he will be the feature Point guard for Memphis. Scott Skiles could easily go with ridnour if session struggles or just split time evenly.

        Kaman and Jefferson seem like the 2 more certain picks. Keep your eye on the clippers this offseason. If camby or randolph get moved Kaman will get a boost. I never liked Jefferson’s fantasy game but at this point he seems to be the most dependable of your second batch of keepers. Kaman has his own injury issues as well.

        Randolph is a dark horse. He emerged to show some potential for the warriors. Nelson is a tricky guy and who knows what the warriors roster will look like next year since they will openly shop crawford. If the roster stays the same Randolph will put up decent numbers although he probably will still be very inconsistent. Brandon wright, biedrins, and randolph are the only big guys for the warriors at this point.

        Chris Paul, John salmons, Mike Conley, Richard jefferson, Chris Kaman <=== possibly randolph over kaman

        Good luck!

  15. capoltorta says:

    Props to Rose and Rondo today, I think they both deserve a little more consideration next round.

  16. RT says:

    Anyone taking Bynum anywhere near this early is wasting a pick!! If i want to take a chance on a high-risk/high-reward, injury-prone center, i’d take Greg Oden before i took bynum (around pick 70-100). I’d take Brook Lopez, DRose, or Calderon at this point. And i’d definitely take Troy Murphy and LaMarcus Aldridge if i was going to consider a center eligible player before i’d take the terrible Bynum. In fact, i’d probably take those 2 guys over Yao too, since Yao made it through the fantasy season healthy this year…

  17. Bruiser says:

    Buser – No Love for Carlos Boozer?!?!?!

  18. dasein says:

    I think Rondo needs to be on the list about now. I’d certanly take him over many of the names currently there.

    • mbuser says:

      triple doubles have that affect eh? just kidding – he’s among the next few names for sure

      • Kwaltz says:

        Yes triple doubles do have that affect. He seems like a young JKidd… Though his boards are due to NRG rather than size. I’d probably take him over all the current guys (especially a 27 yr old Calderon and a single-minded Mayo) – and think in a keeper I’d rather have him than DHarris even. Remember he’s only 23 and will develop a jumper (possibly 3′s) and a better FT% in addition to huge steals and all-around game as the Celtics give him more responsibility. I think withholding some players has skewed the voting – is anybody really that excited about building around a swingman here (GWallace, Melo) – don’t you start with C’s and PG’s unless of freak-ness (aka Grangerness, Durantness)???

        Insert customary “Great site Buser” introduction here.

        • mr. gm says:

          Haha, good stuff. Ya, and my top 3 choices for next season are LBJ, CP3, and Durant. It was either b/t Durant’s ridiculously high ceiling, but not elite yt, and Wade’s injury history and elite lv already. Any thoughts?

  19. Redhopeful says:

    Matt – did you list any parameters on what type of keeper league this poll is for – ie. number of keepers, etc? Or are you just leaving it to people?

    As Grounded Polo and others have mentioned, seems like a lot of people are gravitating towards youth.

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